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[Bloodwyne]

Hello everyone,

since the participation in WvW is generally increasing, but still kind of fails to happen during the same time, im trying to give you some hints, when Rare's main times are, what you eventually can do to shorten your queue time and what our aims can be during the time we spend in WvW.

1. Primetime activity

In DAoC Rare always formed groups between 19:00 and 21:00 CET. It is also the same in GW2 here, kinda obvious since its the european primetime. So that means that if you are willing to do some WvW on an evening and noone is in any Borderlands yet, you might choose a Borderland and keep an eye on the guildchat for people asking where they should queue. Basically it doesnt really matter which Borderland it is. Sometimes i will include plans of the alliance too though. I know this is not everyones type of game and i totally respect that but personally i like the collaboration with other guilds and also sometimes form Zergs with them and actually be able to not only take supply camps. The last times I and some other members were with the alliance i think all can agree that the atmosphere in the mumble was always a good one even if the action sometimes really was limited. I also have to say, that once we are 8+ members in such an alliance group, we are an own unit that can work with the ally but do own moves that will not only be escort supply caravans

2. Queue's

Yes the discussion about the Server is still ongoing but there are some ways to eventually shorten the Queue time. Though some of them need further testing.

- Queue GROUPLESS. This point has already proven to work. Whilst queue'ing up groupless you'll face alot shorter waiting times.
- Queue up from an Overflow Server. As far as i know you can even Queue to "Unknown Borderland" when you know the position of the Borderland you want to join, in the list.
- If not on an Overflow: Queue up from Lions Arch. Personally it felt like queueing from Lions Arch takes less waiting time than from other zones (that might be only imagination though).
- If you want to do WvW in EB, you can try to enter a Borderland (most likely Far Shiverpeaks Borderland) first and then queue for EB from there. The own Borderland seems to have the shortest queue's for whatever reason. Also you can often find the Russians [GF] there which is quite nice to be with i found. They are moving very coordinated and fast.

3. Gear

This is a point which i feel already seperates us from the general WvW population. I know u can only see the items from their view but it feels like a lot lot of people being bad equipped in WvW. And i can really say this makes a huge difference in the outcome of ANY fight. No, Zerg is not only about numbers, it also includes personal skills, organisation and gear. Ofc this factors weight less than in smallman RvR, but still it has a major influence IMO. Noone should feel the need to be full exotic geared before he can enter WvW though. Personally for me it was necessary.

So much for the moment, might add more later.

[Lasastard]

Well, I think if we can improve on our interaction with the alliance, we should be in good shape. Haven't done anything with them so far, so maybe we should communicate with them already when we start Qing up for WvW.

Other than that, regarding gear, I think we need to be realistic here. Exotic gear is not needed - if you look at the actual difference between rare and exotic armor, the difference in numbers is what, 3%? And does that really scale linearily in terms of effectiveness in WvW? I really don't think so. The difference for weapons actually seems to be bigger - 15% or so, meaning an exotic weapon would be the very first thing to get. And from there on - if you don't feel like grinding, get a masterwork or rare set and just upgrade as you go alnog, because WvW gives karma, gold and badges, all of which can be used to purchase exotic gear. Really no need to hide away in PvE for weeks and not to particiapte in WvW.

[Bloodwyne]

Don't get me wrong here, when im talking about people being bad equipped in WvW, i don't mean a lvl 80 Masterwork or Rare sets. Maybe it was just me being a total noob, but with lvl 80 i was for a couple of weeks still running lvl 60-70 blue items. Probably just me though as once someone told me: "Hey man, u can actually gear up in complete lvl 80 Masterwork stuff for less than 1,5 gold at the TP", i kinda felt stupid . Though there is still people not even doing that (not saying this are people from our guild) but othwise i wont have 30k dmg hundred blades hits on some of them. Might also be lowerlevel people though. Anyway as i said i dont have the feeling any of our members doing wvw with bad equip, and i dont count masterwork or Rare equip as bad. Still there IS a difference of a full set of Exotic and Masterwork and its definately more than 3% if you count in the jewelery, gems, runes and sigils which u dont wanna put on a Masterwork piece if u dont have a Black Lion Salvage kit. But as you mentioned it wont make THE difference for most scenarios.

[Jadene]

WvW/Queues: Makes obvious sense with the times there considering we are all europeans I have found the queue times to be getting better during the week days (weekends still suck) but I can live with the queuing times I have found of late. Most has been for me 40 minutes during an evening non EB.


Alliance thoughts: Yes it is nice to do things with them, not saying I would like to do that every night, because I am always going to prefer the roaming rather than zerging scenario., but that is the point of being in an alliance to work together on a couple of nights +. To be able as Mark as said to co-ordinate to take control of more of the areas and so on. Also, I wish Anet would put in alliance chat as would make communication so much easier in that regard.

If we aren't going to work with the alliance there is no point to being in one imo.

Gear: When I first read your post Mark I was a bit hmm but upon re-reading I think I get what you are trying to potray.

I concur with what Marc is saying.

When I first dinged 80, being totally clueless I went to the TP and bought various level 78 exotic pieces and spent most my money with a mix matched set. It was TOTALLY stupid thing to do.

After understanding better I levelled a LW to 400 and crafted myself a full set of level 80 exotic gear with the exact stats I wanted.

I then, upon seeing how the legs looked (can you say leopard print? ) went and purchased T2 Norn cultural armour and transmuted the legs and bp with the exotic I had made for a much more pleasing look for me. I got to say it was very frustrating having spent a gold buying the BP and transmuting it., to then put the emblem on and it completely changed the look again...wtf is with that!

I do not have the time or indeed inclination to farm dungeons over and over for the "cool" looking armour and sure the dungeon graphic armour looks great but I will cope without

It is pretty expensive to purchase runes I have found, along with jewellry. The exotic weapon I got was a bargin though. The only thing I am not fully equipped in is jewellry as wearing masterwork atm until get around to farming what I need.

I would say off the top of my head the difference between rare and exotic is about 13% and between masterwork and exotic 20% plus you would not want to waste runes on masterwork gear so it becomes a bit more.

No doubt someone going to correct me on the above but I would say that is ballpark

I think it is totally viable to get yourself masterwork gear with stats you like as a starting point and for very little money whilst you farm karma/badges etc. and you will be able to participate in WvW quite fine imo.

I think that level makes quite a difference in the game, along with specs/skill level.

[Bloodwyne]

Today i wanna move with the Russians. Participation appreciated

Please dont be stingy with blueprints guys. Also upgrade them to superior ones its very cheap and very useful. Double dmg, more HP.

[Jadene]

Good Morning everyone,

I have to say I am getting a bit concerned about wvw as feel it is an ever decreasing circle of people doing it within the guild during primetime hours. In fact the people playing seems to be slowly wilting away.

It is a game at the end of the day and people can play of course however they want to, whether it is farming, making alts etc. but I felt needed to express my concerns about this nonetheless.

Yes I know I spent a week helping Mike level his elementalist but other than that really have been totally focused on wvw with the odd foray into sPVP.

I know the game keeps being compared to DAOC, I remember back at the start of that game you didn't have RR, you didn't really do the 8v8 at the beginning, it was also quite zergy and not very coordinated. Of course this developed and yes there was more realm pride and I myself played that game for years getting to a very high realm rank but this isn't that game it is different. I also, was perhaps at first looking for the "DAOC 2" where would instantly be doing the roaming groups blah blah blah, but soon realised that isn't the case.

Of course this game has the problems with invisible mobs, badly optimised, but still I did have hopes of having 2-3 groups out there so we could do more than zerg hump or cause havoc or whatever it happened to be.

I don't know how people feel, I know some people are moving back to DAOC, and I do understand and hope you enjoy yourselves there more, for me that game is dead, I know 1 person still playing and when I briefly tried it before release of this game I just didn't get the same feeling from it that I used to.

Perhaps Marc is right that it helps having the people to play with, but then if that was the case I would still be playing DAOC and not have moved elsewhere with my old guild.

I feel myself getting a bit burned out going out with maybe 3-5 people running into zergs and not really being able to achieve a huge amount and with wondering what has happened and why only 3-5 people out there

I am writing this without coffee so it may not be totally legible or articulate but would appreciate some feedback as to what direction people are looking at in this game or if people are just looking at not moving forward anymore.

Thanks

Claire

[Hyrule]

my computer is broken ill be back by the end of the week!!

but i see ur point, a week ago when i logged in saw numbers or guildmembers online decreasing

the problem with wvwvw is that its not rewarding (this is the reason we did rvr in daoc, realm abilitys, relics)

guildwars is focused on spvp (competitive gaming) and tournaments with prizemoney will come up in the next weeks/months

dont get me wrong, i love killing people in wvwvw, but i need to get something out of it, it just doesnt feel right killing a whole zerg and getting 2 badges to buy ugly items i dont need

in spvp u get a rank (atleast something u can aim for), and you can see everyone(no invis army), no frenchies!

give it a try

[Bloodwyne]

I have the same concern as you have Claire. I still enjoy WvW, but with 3-5 players for me it is not really enjoyable.

Thats why during the last days i was rather found running with a zerg than setting up a smallman group as it gets boring to only be able to take supply camps (which in most cases are impossible to defend) or roam around to eventually have 2 or 3 good fights an evening. That being said, if u are lucky to get those, lets say 3-5 vs 5+ and win/have a longer fight about it, its also pretty much fun. But u have to face the fact that this game is very much more about individual gameplay than teamplay in smallscale WvW. Except for fast rezzing, some assist, there is very few teamplay components to find in WvW. Of course you could do some AOE tactics and stuff like that... but you need the classes and especially the people for it. Thats also why i feel attracted by larger groups (zergs) at the moment. Last night i was defending Dreadful Bay for more than 2 hours when the french nightcapping started. And i really enjoyed it and the community that evolved around that defence. If you do it right, there can be done awesome things with the right siege weapons positioned at the right spots. I even ran back and forth to supply camps to repair gates Oo And i escorted 1 caravan! ^^

What you say is true i feel, people started this game with the wrong expectations. This is not DAoC2 and it never will be. Im not quite sure yet how i will react on an ongoing WvW/PvP inactivity in future. Maybe WvW is simply not made for smaller guilds. So that would either mean, get more people into the guild or join a larger WvW oriented guild. My favorite solution would be more activity with the playerbase we have.

Atm none of our old members participates in WvW at all. It is Atalay, Claire, Mike, Marius and some occasionals that are frequently up for it. I kinda get angry when in a WvW/PvP oriented guild, people rather xp twinks during primetime than doing some PvP. Maybe you dont like the WvW/PvP then, but then this has to be discussed and looked for a solution for, otherwise this guild, as it was, will be history soon.

Another point is, personally i simply can't spend playing as much as i did in the past. I also get tired of leading 3-5 man groups. I feel useless as shit. Just giving the direction to move somewhere is not what i call fun. For me, WvW gets to a fun point when reached 10+ people that you can organize some stuff with. No idea how we will be able to achieve that in this guild (i will try to work on it for a some more time), but for me it is clear, if i won't get to that point with this guild, then theres plenty of other solutions.

@Hyrule: sPvP is another topic. It won't be a problem to set up 5 people for sPvP imo. Still im mainly playing this game for WvW atm. It might shift again to more sPvP though. At the end a balance of both seems the perfect solution. regulary 10+ people for WvW and 5 for sPvP, and all can be happy (atleast those that play this game other than for PvE).

A little bit angry
Mark

[Jadene]

There is frenchies in sPVP I had one in my team Hyrule lol

Though I haven't done tournaments all I have done is random matches. Yes nice to see the names of the people you are killing I agree and being top player, kill spam etc etc.

But for me the focus was always going to be on the bigger scale WvW rather than arena setting.

Yes you are right Mark I did have the wrong expectations in WvW, as I would guess did alot of people.

It is almost more of a single player game or a bigger guild game rather than in comparison to DAOC a gank guild game. Though yes I know still zergs there but you get my point.

I never been a fan of being in a huge guild, I like the atmosphere of a smaller type where you know each other and as such become a stronger team and get to know each others playstyles rather than just a random person in a 100 + guild like what the alliance is.

I honestly don't know how I feel at present other than being disappointed, I love my engineer and enjoy playing her but also feel myself getting more frustrated than enjoying myself alot of the time too.

I don't know if I need to not play for a couple of days and see how I feel but I don't want to not play and then there is no one playing at all in wvw.

I don't want to see the guild fail either because I like you guys and think you are pretty cool folks and nice to have found an EU guild to hang out with.

/em does a very sad panda face

[Qerildan]

I can understand mark...
i joined WvW no some times and i like it.
it was funny to run in a grp, even it was small. But i imagine, it would be much more fun if the whole guild would join us and we could play together.
I hope more people can get the motivation to join WvW, bigger groups would be much more fun.